{"id":365,"date":"2007-02-20T13:06:41","date_gmt":"2007-02-20T13:06:41","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.fact.org\/reading\/?p=365"},"modified":"2012-02-27T14:23:14","modified_gmt":"2012-02-27T14:23:14","slug":"we-the-underpeople","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.fact.org\/reading\/?p=365","title":{"rendered":"We the Underpeople"},"content":{"rendered":"<h3><em>We the Underpeople<\/em> by Cordwainer           Smith<\/h3>\n<p>There were 9 people present at the discussion of <em>We           The Underpeople<\/em> by Cordwainer Smith. Everybody read           some portion of the book. A lot of people have read           some of the stories that make up <em>We The           Underpeople<\/em>, and other Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s stories           before, sometimes decades ago. So the discussion           revolved not so much around <em>We The Underpeople<\/em>,           as around Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s writing in general.<\/p>\n<p>Most people in the group loved it. What they liked           about Smith&#8217;s stories was their political subtext and           his manner of storytelling. The latter, everybody           agreed, is unusual. It seems as if Smith wasn&#8217;t so much           writing novels and stories in the traditional Western           sense, as creating a set of myths. People familiar with           Paul<!--more--> Linebarger&#8217;s (Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s real name)           biography inferred that his storytelling style was           inspired by Chinese culture, with which he became very           familiar during his stay in China. Several readers           remarked that Smith&#8217;s stories were structured as           Chinese parables. They are set in mythical time.           Everything in them has happened a long, long time ago,           and the heroic feats of the characters have been           exaggerated to mythical proportions. And the ostensible           purpose of Smith&#8217;s stories is to enlighten the readers           about what <em>really<\/em> happened. &#8220;I&#8217;m sure you know           the story of C&#8217;mell. Everybody knows the story of           C&#8217;mell. Well, you <em>think<\/em> you know it, but this is           what <em>really<\/em> happened.&#8221; (That&#8217;s not a real quote           from the book &#8212; that&#8217;s how one reader paraphrased           Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s approach.)<\/p>\n<p>Some people compared Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s storytelling           style with that of Stanislaw Lem&#8217;s in <em>Cyberiad<\/em>.           Like Lem, Smith creates fables, myths and legends           rather than conventional stories. And like           <em>Cyberiad<\/em>, this story collection does not feel           dated despite having been written several decades ago,           as it does not have specific technology in it that           would date it. &#8220;The computers are disembodied voices,&#8221;           said a reader. &#8220;There&#8217;s nothing wrong with that.           There&#8217;s no concept of how big it is. Contemporary           authors would throw in tubes and knobs and dials, and           it would date it.<\/p>\n<p>Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s storytelling style did not appeal to           everybody in the group. As one person pointed out,           &#8220;<em>Norstrilia<\/em> didn&#8217;t have much of a plot. A stupid           boy wanders around and people and animals tell him what           to do. He is completely passive. He doesn&#8217;t have an           original thought in his head. He only does what others           tells him to do.&#8221; This led to a debate whether that was           intentional and supposed to be enjoyed, or if it was a           critical flaw of Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s writing. (I find           myself in the latter camp.)<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reader 1<\/strong>. [The protagonist&#8217;s passivity] was part           of the point. What he was trying to portray, is how           easily people fall into doing what they are told, and           not questioning.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reader 2<\/strong>. I can see that, but most people like           to read about take-charge individuals.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reader 3<\/strong>. But he wanted something &#8212; he wanted           the stamp! And then the Cat guy tells him what to do,           and the next thing he doesn&#8217;t even want the stamp! The           only time he had a definite desire, it got brainwashed           out.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reader 2<\/strong>. The protagonists are really not active           or interesting.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reader 3<\/strong>. Even in one of my favorite stories,           <em>Mother Hitton&#8217;s Littul Kittons<\/em>, the girl who           activates the defense mechanism only sits and does what           she&#8217;s told. She might as well be replaced with a           machine.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Reader 4<\/strong> pointed out that Chinese mythos and           Native American mythos are structured the same way. The           characters wander here and there until the event           happens. That way the characters, and the listener           learn about the world they live in. And the world where           Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s stories take place is, by everyone&#8217;s           admission, quite rich and interesting to learn about.<\/p>\n<p>Passivity of the characters notwithstanding, at least           half of the people who were present at the discussion           count Cordwainer Smith among their favorite writers. It           is my impression that those were the people who were           well educated in political science, and who were           familiar with Paul Linebarger&#8217;s biography and his work           in China. Perhaps a good understanding of and interest           in political science can really enhance one&#8217;s enjoyment           of Smith&#8217;s writing, although I personally thought the           politics in Smith&#8217;s novels and stories were quite           transparent and did not require a great sophistication           to understand. Political figures in all those stories           were more like symbols than real people with complex           agendas.<\/p>\n<p>It was also acknowledged that he influenced several           generations of science fiction writers, such as Ballard           and Delany, all the New Wave people, as well as Charles           Stross. One person in the group, who read Charles           Stross&#8217;s <em>Glasshouse<\/em> clearly, felt Cordwainer           Smith&#8217;s influence on &#8220;the deep stuff about           psychological warfare&#8221; in <em>Glasshouse<\/em>.<\/p>\n<p>Some people got a chuckle out of the humor in           <em>Norstrilia<\/em>. The whole setup with stroon (an           immortality drug) being produced by sick sheep was a           bit farcical. Especially the part where if you steal a           sheep and smuggle it out of Norstrilia, it gets better           and stops making stroon. This led to speculation if           Frank Herbert&#8217;s spice in <em>Dune<\/em> is re-cast stroon.           <em>Norstrilia<\/em> was written a lot earlier than           <em>Dune<\/em>, so some readers thought it was conceivable           that Herbert borrowed the idea of how the spice is           made, from Cordwainer&#8217;s stroon.<\/p>\n<p><em>&#8212; Elze Hamilton<\/em><\/p>\n<hr \/>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>We the Underpeople by Cordwainer Smith There were 9 people present at the discussion of We The Underpeople by Cordwainer Smith. Everybody read some portion of the book. A lot of people have read some of the stories that make up We The Underpeople, and other Cordwainer Smith&#8217;s stories before, sometimes decades ago. 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